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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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the oldest as strong as tapeless fear

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this trepidation of young when we were

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children our parents told us that

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monsters didn't exist but we were sure

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that something is lurking under the bed

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or in the closet beer seats even if our

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eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of your king my

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name is lon stripper join me as I

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examine unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations and remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovered to strange lands seeking not

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for new territory but for new knowledge

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of the supernatural come on board as we

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begin this adventure together

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you

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained here on the

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paranormal king radio network

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I'm your host lon Stricker coming to you

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with in a cannon shot of historic

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Gettysburg in a cryptid mecca

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Pennsylvania thank you for joining me

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now before we bring our guest on I want

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to talk about a case I recently received

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a telephone call from a witness who I'll

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refer to as DF who lives on his farm

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with his family near Freeport

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Pennsylvania in Armstrong County

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Pennsylvania on October 11th 2013 at

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approximately 5:30 p.m.

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DTF was in his recording studio which is

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a separate building on the property a

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client was playing the piano at the time

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and DF walked to the adjoining kitchen

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to get a glass of water when he looked

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out the window he noticed a large wing

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being descending from the sky he

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described it as an almond with wide

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feathered wings that had a longer

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feather spaced six to seven inches along

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the bottom edge of the wings the head

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was round with large black circular eyes

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small a like ears and a short cooked

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beak the body was five foot in height

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and shaped like that of a human with

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legs ending in three toed Talon feet the

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feathered body was like too dark tan and

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the wingspan was 18 to 20 foot it was a

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huge impressive sight now the wing beam

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seemed to be drawn by the piano music

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India's opinion it landed briefly near

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the back of the studio

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then flapped its wings through time it

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quickly ascended into the sky he

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mentioned the sighting to his wife and

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children who said that he should report

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the encounter a few days later DF was

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once again in the recording studio

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there was another client play

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a piano as DF briefly stepped outside he

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noticed same wing beam descending near

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the studio this time it must have seen

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DF then it quickly flew away IDF was bit

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of old school and didn't have a

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cellphone with him at the time but he

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did sketch the wing being after each

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occasion which I had displayed in the in

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the in the report I posted it on the

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blogger day now after six years he was

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finally convinced to come forward with

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his sighting now any further information

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that we get will be added to this report

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so you know its first out setting Alma

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and Sally have gotten in Pennsylvania I

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believe but it's an area where there's

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been a lot of reports a lot of different

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things and my guest is probably gonna be

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talking about that as well so let's get

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started with the show tonight I welcome

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Pennsylvania UFO anomalies investigator

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and colleagues Stan Gordon - arcane

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radio mast and began his interest in the

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UFO subject another strange distance at

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the age of 10 in 1959 he began in field

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investigations of UFOs and others

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mysterious events in 1965 and is the

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primary investigator of the December 9th

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1965 UFO crash recovery and since that

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occurred near Kecksburg Pennsylvania

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Stan is a former PA state director for

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move on and has been involved with the

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investigation of thousands of mysterious

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encounters throughout the Commonwealth

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of Pennsylvania there's three books

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really mysterious Pennsylvania silent

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invasion the Pennsylvania UFO Bigfoot

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case book and the estai she encounters

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Pennsylvania's unknown creatures or the

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collimation of his defensive recent

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field research stan has researcher that

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documentary film invasion on Chestnut

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Ridge his website can be found it's WWN

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Gordon dot info so Stan thanks again for

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joining me

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one thanks for having me back on the

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program bear with me I've got a somewhat

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of a cold trying to come on

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oh it's well I could understand that

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I've been losing my voice all week yeah

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now that is yeah so what's to deal with

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Armstrong County what is going on you

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know I know you begin a lot of reports

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up there as well so what's been going on

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them the counties outside of Pittsburgh

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where there has always been a lot of

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history of sightings and as I had talked

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to you about this we're having the

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largest surge of UFO sightings Bigfoot

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cryptid encounters we've had for years

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of last year 2018 and it continued

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the year right through to this year

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the last couple of weeks and we're not

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getting the huge numbers of reports like

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getting continuous very detailed

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accounts from a lot of very credible

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witnesses of some very very strange

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cases which we'll talk about but I've

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investigating sightings I'm going to

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guess going back to leads police late

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1960s and there's always been a lot of

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UFO sighting up in Armstrong County

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within the last week actually and but

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there's been a lot of history a Bigfoot

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activity up there there's a lot of

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reports of the mystery cat sightings on

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Panthers mountain lions which that's not

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that unusual but of course officially

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Pennsylvania for many many years of

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across three but people continue report

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above us here late but Black Panther

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story and we've had Thunderbird

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last two years of Vesta gating a Bigfoot

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at very close range so we've got some

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very amazing stories we can discuss

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tonight and then we've talked in

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previous shows about some of the very

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strange aspects of Bigfoot that I began

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Sol invasion book about it and I got

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into great detail about certain

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indications that there may be more to

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same thing is coming in from so many

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different people who don't really know

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I've been receiving Bigfoot reports up

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especially on the Allegheny River areas

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river they've had rocks thrown at them

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telling us that large branches very

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heavy larger rocks act like small

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borders in some cases they're really too

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heavy for people to even lift and yet

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propelling them with ease at people

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small boats closer to shore and that's

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fascinating and many many years ago this

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cases I looked into my gosh 20 30 years

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ago was right there in Freeport Oh at

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the kiski Menace River and it was a

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large UFO hovering over the river and

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sucking water up out of the river to the

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object Wow Wow you

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like even mentioned to me also this um

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the butter gargoyle sighting wasn't that

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far from when there as well no I mean

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weird UFO cases were occurring in the

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of Bigfoot encounters and cryptids and

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UFO reports and all kinds of strange

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incidents throughout bunker County they

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go on year after year but this case in

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particular debunker gargoyle

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discord back in March of 2011 and I got

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to another witness and his family very

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what was interesting was within days

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after his observation apparently other

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people independently reported seeing the

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same creature up in the same general

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area but he was riding down the road

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that night early morning hours courses

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dark yes his um headlights on and he

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notices something on the right side of

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the field as these are approaching and

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he thought it was a deer knee and he

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moved a little closer puts his

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headlights on and this huge creature

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rises from the ground it's over eight

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feet tall but when I interviewed him he

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said you know I said people talk about

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seeing Bigfoot around here he said when

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I saw this was not a big flip he said

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this was a very humanoid figure but it

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stood over eight feet tall but it had

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smooth leather like skin there was

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either dark tan or light brown and it

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never looked at the witness he saw it

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from the one side he said they had

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appeared to be flat front section

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rounded out it was kind of a herald like

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an aerodynamic helmet actually and the

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face was flat and the eyes were not

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clearly defined but they appeared to be

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like pointed in the corner the year of

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course there's only observed on the one

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side was long flat came up and back was

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pointed backwards like a flap but the

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than that of a human the hands had claws

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where to the legs the legs were

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extremely muscular but he said the legs

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did not move like that

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they looked like they were bent

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backwards and I was getting very

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muscular and it had what appeared to be

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wings on its back which were tucked into

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its body where the wing tips extended

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towards the side of the head there were

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no sounds or smells it took several

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steps in front of his vehicle went

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across the road into the woods and then

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of course as I mentioned a number of

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other witnesses within days reported to

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local abbey oru group up there seeing

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the same type of creature and reportedly

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I can't confirm it but from a good

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source a similar creature was reportedly

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seen earlier this year up in Armstrong

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County

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so not forth where the other one took

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place yeah you know you talk to people

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and you mentioned Pennsylvania they

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don't really associate Pennsylvania with

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with winged cryptid or anomaly sightings

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but you know and you know we've had

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these things going on around here for

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many many years oh yeah I mean all these

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reports go way way back and you know

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anybody does any historical studies of

303
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these cases I mean there's even many

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newspaper accounts of a lot of the

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experienced phenomena in the newspapers

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going back for many years and I mean the

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earliest first-hand account I have of a

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Bigfoot encounter goes back to 1931 from

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Indian had up in Fayette County will

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probably mention Fayette County a lot

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tonight that's one of the areas along

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the Chestnut Ridge and we've talked

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about this in the past the Chestnut

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Ridge has been and continues to be one

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of the most active areas in the country

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for repeated phenomena year after year

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so the Chestnut Ridge is that mountain

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range it extends through Westmoreland

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Fayette Indiana County in southwest

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Pennsylvania and it goes down towards

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Preston County West Virginia around 100

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miles long but for years and years I

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heard documenting these cases back in

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the 60s and apparently I found there's a

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lot of history even before that but

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there have been sightings every year of

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Bigfoot sightings all kind of creature

328
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sightings UFO sightings objects on top

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of the ridge going up vertically from

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the sky coming down from the sky to the

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ridge underground sounds and mystery

332
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booms other strange orphan

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being reported by people up on top of

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the ridge all kind of people who are

335
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into paranormal ghosts there's a lot of

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haunting reports along the ridge people

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talking about the small little orbs I've

338
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been calling a menu of those for years

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and these are generally anywhere from a

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few it's about a foot in diameter

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some are luminous some a solid metallic

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but interestingly they've come very

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close to people don't bother anybody and

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I had Reapers over the years that I'm

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entering people's homes and cars through

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open windows and they floated around

347
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went back out the window but in some

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cases over the years we've heard reports

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that you think inside a residence and

350
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they actually go right through the walls

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of people's homes yeah it's a lot it

352
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really is and you know I'd be honest

353
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with you I'm beyond being surprised

354
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about things that people see in this

355
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state quite frank with you I mean I've

356
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seen a few things but yeah it there

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always seems to be something going on it

358
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and like you said it's been quite busy I

359
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you know we've been getting now this one

360
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there's one phenomena I did want to ask

361
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you about before you talk about it in

362
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new cases or anything I've been getting

363
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these reports of these white humanoid

364
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like beings you know the description is

365
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very similar to what the wind dingo is

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described at or what people call rakes

367
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but I tell you I I have been getting

368
00:16:04,290 --> 00:16:02,050
reports of these beings a little more

369
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consistent than I had been before

370
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I was just wondering have you been

371
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hearing anything about that yes I have

372
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and in fact I've caught I've kind of

373
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given a nickname a Pennsylvania is a

374
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weird scraggy cryptid because these

375
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things are generally tall very skinny

376
00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:21,550
very bony and sickly looking according

377
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to many of the reports were getting yeah

378
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and I've heard these accounts for a

379
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number of years but this more active way

380
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seem to begin in August I believe a

381
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20-17 and the whole reports on my

382
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:37,520
website of people scrolled

383
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through it and this was actually a

384
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police officer on patrol here in western

385
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Pennsylvania and again a dis from from

386
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when I recall it's a very detailed

387
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report

388
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he's on patrol in a dark area that he

389
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commonly was familiar with and he sees

390
00:17:00,520 --> 00:16:57,650
what appears to be a small ball of light

391
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on the ground and he stops he's looking

392
00:17:03,970 --> 00:17:02,210
because he's thinking I've understood

393
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the artificial lighting like that here

394
00:17:08,290 --> 00:17:05,480
before is he stopped and watches this

395
00:17:13,060 --> 00:17:08,300
thing and suddenly it rises up and

396
00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:13,070
realizes this is actually the head of a

397
00:17:19,449 --> 00:17:14,770
creature about six and a half feet Paul

398
00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:19,459
that's a skeletal thin very bony looking

399
00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:23,690
very long arms and legs and the head is

400
00:17:27,610 --> 00:17:25,490
glowing on the upper part of the body

401
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,620
and it's illuminating the upper part of

402
00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:30,080
the of the creature and he only saw it

403
00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:32,630
for a very short time at a turn to one

404
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:35,510
point and he said I never saw a move so

405
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:37,520
fast in my life it was here it was going

406
00:17:42,460 --> 00:17:40,400
which interestingly is almost the same

407
00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:42,470
warning that other people told me with

408
00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:44,270
cryptids including Bigfoot sightings in

409
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:47,240
some cases and soon as this thing was

410
00:17:50,770 --> 00:17:48,890
going he pulled his vehicle up put a

411
00:17:53,620 --> 00:17:50,780
spotlight on was no bar setting on the

412
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ground and that was I believe about two

413
00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:56,510
weeks later then I got another report

414
00:18:00,490 --> 00:17:58,190
from a person who didn't know about that

415
00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:00,500
and reported to think basically the same

416
00:18:04,810 --> 00:18:03,470
thing but not the glowing head but it

417
00:18:07,540 --> 00:18:04,820
came out of the woods and approached

418
00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:07,550
this person about 35 feet away or there

419
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,140
have been numerous other reports and you

420
00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:10,880
had one report from outside of

421
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:13,190
Pittsburgh but it was a darker creature

422
00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:14,690
but a similar description that you

423
00:18:20,530 --> 00:18:18,680
recall and that was up around Allison

424
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,540
Park if you remember that right yeah

425
00:18:25,030 --> 00:18:22,640
okay and there have been other reports

426
00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:25,040
there's another report from February

427
00:18:30,250 --> 00:18:27,230
last year person couldn't sleep was

428
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,260
outside smoking a bleep and it was a

429
00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:32,480
very rural area notices eight-foot tall

430
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:35,000
skinny figure with a round head and very

431
00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:37,610
long arms running very fast across the

432
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:40,460
field it took one step across over a

433
00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:42,890
very I sense then continued to run off

434
00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:46,370
in the distance but one of the most

435
00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:48,590
amazing reports and I'm I'm still

436
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:50,820
putting information together

437
00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:53,520
this happened all in a rural area I'm

438
00:18:58,820 --> 00:18:55,470
gonna guess 30 40 miles outside of

439
00:19:01,460 --> 00:18:58,830
Pittsburgh the end of last year and I

440
00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:01,470
saw where it occurred and I interviewed

441
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:03,480
the person a number of times and this

442
00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:05,970
guy and his family verified the story

443
00:19:10,580 --> 00:19:08,760
he's been a winter in his battle out in

444
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:10,590
the woods all his life he won't go back

445
00:19:14,270 --> 00:19:11,730
in the woods anymore

446
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:14,280
apparently this thing followed him from

447
00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:16,770
the woods down to his home which is in a

448
00:19:21,050 --> 00:19:20,460
wooded area and described it the same

449
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:21,060
way

450
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,200
however in that particular case I mean

451
00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:26,880
the physical description was very

452
00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:29,310
similar to others and I don't have a

453
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:31,380
report right in front of as I recall it

454
00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:34,290
has luminous glowing yellow eyes with

455
00:19:37,850 --> 00:19:35,910
some of the other cryptid reports were

456
00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:37,860
getting is the same thing by what's

457
00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:42,470
interesting was it was crouched down

458
00:19:48,050 --> 00:19:45,660
staring at him ten feet away he sitting

459
00:19:50,510 --> 00:19:48,060
at a table eating it's sitting it's

460
00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:50,520
crushed at in this open back door

461
00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:52,740
looking directly at him right into his

462
00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:55,380
face and then when he turned and moved

463
00:19:59,390 --> 00:19:57,780
the thing crouched down on all fours the

464
00:20:02,450 --> 00:19:59,400
scoot along the side of the house and

465
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:02,460
was gone but it's a very very detailed

466
00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:06,090
account and I understand in in the last

467
00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:07,590
month month and a half there have been

468
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:09,900
at least one or two other reports here

469
00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:12,810
in Southwest Pennsylvania in the Western

470
00:20:17,420 --> 00:20:14,910
one County area of something similar now

471
00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:17,430
at least two reports I understand had

472
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:19,680
reports of glowing Ed's in other cases

473
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:21,810
they were not but the descriptions are

474
00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:24,090
all very very similar and I'm hearing

475
00:20:28,970 --> 00:20:26,520
them as with your reports I'm hearing

476
00:20:34,940 --> 00:20:28,980
reports from other parts of the country

477
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:34,950
as well mm-hmm yeah the the the few

478
00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:37,050
reports of that that I really thought

479
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:38,700
were interesting were the ones I got a

480
00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:41,850
buddy a year ago out in Cambria County

481
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:45,870
by will Wilmore reservoir which is just

482
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:50,880
north of portage yeah and now butch and

483
00:20:56,540 --> 00:20:54,000
I had had some upright canine reports in

484
00:21:01,040 --> 00:20:56,550
Portage and in fact we had three or four

485
00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:01,050
reports of sightings within within the

486
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:03,640
town itself and there

487
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:05,770
are a lot of coal mines around there

488
00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:08,170
sore we're thinking that maybe this is

489
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:12,070
where they're hiding at but anyway it

490
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:15,250
will more reservoir I had a total of

491
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,850
four reports of these white humanoid

492
00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:21,280
like beings on the shore of the

493
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:24,100
reservoir and two of them were near the

494
00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:27,490
dam and another one a little further up

495
00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:29,140
and then there was one in the woods

496
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:31,510
toward the north part of the the

497
00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:35,170
reservoir the one was described as

498
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:38,950
looking like a like a dog man or upright

499
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:42,970
canine but the other ones were this like

500
00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:46,570
you said the scraggly looking emaciated

501
00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:50,740
type humanoid so I don't know what this

502
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:52,380
is running around you know of course

503
00:21:59,220 --> 00:21:55,210
every time I start talking about this

504
00:22:01,530 --> 00:21:59,230
people start saying when dingo our rakes

505
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:01,540
or flesh gates or whatever you want to

506
00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:04,690
call them I I don't know what they are

507
00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:07,750
you know but I do know that more people

508
00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:11,140
are seeing them well I can tell you the

509
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,430
lawn is a no you know I've been doing

510
00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:14,080
this for a long time but this is 60

511
00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:15,940
years of research for me this year and

512
00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:17,740
surprising to most people I've never

513
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:19,750
personally seen a Bigfoot of UFO myself

514
00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:21,850
it's a lot of evidence over the years

515
00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:23,950
interview thousands of witnesses but I

516
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:26,260
can tell you in the last few years the

517
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:28,330
strange reports are getting stranger and

518
00:22:33,660 --> 00:22:31,030
you're getting more cryptid reports of

519
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:33,670
things that are not either never been

520
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:36,250
reported before or are not commonly

521
00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:39,490
known and again I'm getting everything

522
00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:41,980
you're getting we're getting the this

523
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:45,100
type of scrawny looking bony creature to

524
00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:47,770
that what some people call the dog man

525
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:50,560
reports of course are getting

526
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:53,110
Thunderbird reports we're getting

527
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:55,210
floating cryptid sightings I mean just

528
00:23:00,000 --> 00:22:57,250
all kind of words and they're really

529
00:23:01,290 --> 00:23:00,010
good detailed reports and the witnesses

530
00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:01,300
are all appeared to be very credible

531
00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:03,940
none of what a publicity they're giving

532
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:05,950
me very detailed accounts and many other

533
00:23:12,990 --> 00:23:09,610
giving me interesting details that is

534
00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:13,000
not a commonly known thing and various

535
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:14,620
people are describing the same thing and

536
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:16,570
I'll be telling in the last several

537
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:17,290
months that even

538
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:18,850
last couple weeks I mean I've

539
00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:21,610
interviewed hunters I've interviewed

540
00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:22,870
people went out the woods all their

541
00:23:26,610 --> 00:23:24,670
lives and I'm telling you I'm some of

542
00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:26,620
these people I look at face to face and

543
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:30,900
I mean some are almost in tears many

544
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:33,450
emotionally very very shook up I

545
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:36,850
remember 100 of experienced hunter I

546
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:38,170
interviewed several months ago from

547
00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:40,570
northern PA I mean they encountered

548
00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:42,340
something that was more like a dark man

549
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:47,740
in daylight and very close range but

550
00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:49,960
interestingly as I'm getting with more

551
00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:52,120
the Bigfoot report and again I don't

552
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:53,500
have a whole report right in front of me

553
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:54,970
but I have a lot of notes that I took

554
00:24:00,690 --> 00:23:57,810
with them and this thing was visibly

555
00:24:02,790 --> 00:24:00,700
visibly observed the whole time and then

556
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:02,800
suddenly it disappeared to vanish to

557
00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:05,350
disappear and we're getting so many

558
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:08,140
reports like this with Bigfoot and [\h__\h]

559
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:10,210
and other cryptid reports and you know

560
00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:11,890
we talked about this and as you

561
00:24:16,410 --> 00:24:13,900
mentioned the sightings up and around

562
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,420
Cambria County Blair County I'm getting

563
00:24:20,130 --> 00:24:18,400
a lot of reports even a recent weeks up

564
00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:20,140
there there's a lot of sightings around

565
00:24:25,170 --> 00:24:23,350
that area always has been but the more

566
00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:25,180
reports we're getting the stranger

567
00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:29,080
reports and the details are and many

568
00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:31,480
sightings around lakes and reservoirs

569
00:24:38,250 --> 00:24:35,020
and rivers and as I've mentioned a long

570
00:24:39,810 --> 00:24:38,260
time ago when I first found with my

571
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:39,820
investigation back in the seventy and

572
00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:43,450
it's still ongoing many close encounters

573
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:46,360
with UFOs so we're talking not lights in

574
00:24:53,370 --> 00:24:49,380
the sky very low-level detailed

575
00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:53,380
descriptions a large solid craft learn

576
00:24:57,410 --> 00:24:55,720
the ground and many accounts where

577
00:24:59,610 --> 00:24:57,420
people encounter big threat and

578
00:25:02,340 --> 00:24:59,620
Thunderbirds and Panthers and other

579
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,350
entities commonly occur in the vicinity

580
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:04,960
of high energy sources senators many

581
00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:07,690
sightings again around the gas wells and

582
00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:09,550
the gas lines and the high-tension power

583
00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:12,430
lines and power plants and radio towers

584
00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:14,470
and reservoirs and lakes and railroad

585
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:16,840
tracks and goes on and on and on and

586
00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:18,310
I've said it for a long time whatever

587
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:20,260
we're dealing with it appears to have an

588
00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:24,850
energy connection to the phenomena you

589
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,880
know yeah you mentioned about daylight

590
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:29,440
signs it is interesting how many

591
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:30,910
daylight sighting

592
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:35,290
of everything that didn't used to be the

593
00:25:42,030 --> 00:25:40,750
case but it is now I seem I'd say 70

594
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:42,040
percent of what we gets during the

595
00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:45,910
daytime yeah a lot lot of reports are in

596
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,950
daylight and I mean there's all these

597
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:49,600
different type reports that are coming

598
00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:53,320
in and it's just amazing I mean when I'm

599
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:55,480
talking about Close Encounters in

600
00:26:00,600 --> 00:25:57,250
daylight I mean especially Bigfoot I

601
00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:00,610
mean you know you watch these TV shows a

602
00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:03,700
lot of people you get the impression you

603
00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:06,160
get a see Bigfoot at night using

604
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:10,120
night-vision equipment and actually so

605
00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:11,770
many of the reports to get are very

606
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:14,560
close range and we're talking 5 10 20

607
00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:16,150
feet away from these creatures and I go

608
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:19,480
to some of the reports mm-hmm one of the

609
00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:21,370
sightings last year was in November down

610
00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:23,380
in the Mon Valley area and there's been

611
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:25,270
a lot of history of sightings all along

612
00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:27,430
the Moines Valley so these are the small

613
00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:30,280
a lot of these are mining towns or small

614
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:32,260
towns at parallel along the long antler

615
00:26:36,210 --> 00:26:34,210
River outside of Pittsburgh so you're

616
00:26:38,910 --> 00:26:36,220
looking at like Fayette County again

617
00:26:41,070 --> 00:26:38,920
impressed Allegheny and especially

618
00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:41,080
during that that waves of sightings in

619
00:26:46,290 --> 00:26:44,590
73 and 74 I was down there many days and

620
00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:46,300
nights investigating sighting reports

621
00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:49,000
and there have been many many scents but

622
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:51,040
there's been reports even in recent

623
00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:52,630
weeks and months down in that area and

624
00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:54,940
one of the ones that was really

625
00:27:00,060 --> 00:26:56,500
interesting happened November of last

626
00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:00,070
year so here's a fella riding down this

627
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:04,180
two-lane Farm Road and it's rain pouring

628
00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:06,930
down rain and he's riding down the road

629
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:09,700
about 50 feet ahead up he has those low

630
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,890
beams on he notices something standing

631
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,320
on the left side of the road he turns on

632
00:27:18,510 --> 00:27:16,000
his high beams and moves forward and

633
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:18,520
this huge seven-foot tall here covered

634
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:21,310
Bigfoot just gentle just steps out in

635
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:23,530
front of his car literally five feet in

636
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:25,210
front of it stands there in the middle

637
00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:27,130
of the road with luminous glowing red

638
00:27:32,430 --> 00:27:30,670
eyes staring into his face and he just

639
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:32,440
couldn't believe what he's seeing I mean

640
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:34,150
it was so close at that point that he

641
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:35,620
couldn't see the bottom of its legs or

642
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:37,330
arms because they're so close and then

643
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:40,090
it turned and began to take long strides

644
00:27:44,649 --> 00:27:43,690
up this little hill and that's when he

645
00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:44,659
got a good look at

646
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:46,070
even the geek saw the hands as a

647
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:48,289
creature I mean he he described this

648
00:27:53,979 --> 00:27:50,809
thing from head to toe and we were down

649
00:27:55,539 --> 00:27:53,989
there the next day looking over the area

650
00:27:56,859 --> 00:27:55,549
for evidence but it poured all night was

651
00:28:00,159 --> 00:27:56,869
covered with leaves with nothing there

652
00:28:02,109 --> 00:28:00,169
this poor fellow was very very shook up

653
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,119
and very emotional but he was able to

654
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:04,159
give us a very very detailed description

655
00:28:08,259 --> 00:28:06,169
but one element of the case is

656
00:28:10,629 --> 00:28:08,269
interesting as so many other reports

657
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:10,639
similar things are showing up so this

658
00:28:15,879 --> 00:28:12,470
thing turns and starts walking up this

659
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:15,889
little hill he falls it in his car grabs

660
00:28:19,779 --> 00:28:17,539
his camera to try to get a picture this

661
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:19,789
thing and within seconds it's gone

662
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:22,580
he said I know it start it's in my

663
00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:24,710
headlights but he said suddenly it's

664
00:28:29,169 --> 00:28:27,080
just not there anymore and you know

665
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:29,179
trying to rationalize this and you know

666
00:28:32,529 --> 00:28:30,710
you think different things will maybe

667
00:28:34,719 --> 00:28:32,539
moved out of the headlights but this

668
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:34,729
thing is pretty wide should've and will

669
00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:36,049
see something and he just couldn't

670
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:39,080
explain that but anyhow he said it's a

671
00:28:43,659 --> 00:28:40,970
measly seven foot tall covered with

672
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,669
shaggy brown and black hair but

673
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:45,919
interestingly this is something you

674
00:28:49,509 --> 00:28:47,570
don't hear very often we've had other

675
00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:49,519
reports he said the creature looked on

676
00:28:53,619 --> 00:28:51,649
the altie as though was sick he said

677
00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:53,629
there areas on the body where the hair

678
00:28:59,889 --> 00:28:55,820
was missing or very sparse like I had

679
00:29:03,339 --> 00:28:59,899
made and went on to describe the head

680
00:29:07,089 --> 00:29:03,349
the the nose the cheeks the hair

681
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:07,099
covering you know all kind of great

682
00:29:10,899 --> 00:29:08,690
details about what this thing look like

683
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:10,909
but he said the eyes were larger than a

684
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:12,769
human and were luminous and they were

685
00:29:17,409 --> 00:29:14,809
beet red and they shined like

686
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:17,419
flashlights and you're getting subtle

687
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:19,129
many reports over the years of so many

688
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:21,049
people describing this bright

689
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:23,119
illumination I've interviewed many

690
00:29:29,229 --> 00:29:25,609
hunters who are very familiar with night

691
00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:29,239
shine or I shine from course rabbits and

692
00:29:33,849 --> 00:29:30,679
deer and other animals and they said

693
00:29:36,129 --> 00:29:33,859
this was completely different much much

694
00:29:40,330 --> 00:29:36,139
more luminous much brighter look almost

695
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:40,340
artificial and just so many reports

696
00:29:46,629 --> 00:29:43,129
coming in of strange aspects to and then

697
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:46,639
to give you some other cases again along

698
00:29:52,989 --> 00:29:50,210
the Chestnut Ridge so in November of

699
00:29:55,089 --> 00:29:52,999
last year now this is below the ridge

700
00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:55,099
little sum of areas that parallel on the

701
00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:56,870
bottom of the ridge so side

702
00:30:01,870 --> 00:29:59,270
all along on the ridge near the ridge

703
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:01,880
from so many different people so in

704
00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:05,950
November I believe October last year

705
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:09,590
fellows riding down the road it's it's

706
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:13,610
heavy rain and he said about seventy

707
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:17,930
five feet in front of them that this

708
00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:19,850
thing suddenly appears out of nowhere

709
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:22,460
and he said it's a it's around six and

710
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:23,690
half feet tall yesterday at that

711
00:30:29,890 --> 00:30:26,330
distance he said you can see this hole

712
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:29,900
very broad shouldered humanoid creature

713
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:32,809
and he said look it was kind of stooped

714
00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:35,390
over like I had bad posture and he said

715
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:36,950
you could see the whole outline of it

716
00:30:41,770 --> 00:30:39,890
but it wasn't solid it was like misty or

717
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:41,780
foggy only it right there in that area

718
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:44,330
nowhere else and he said that was

719
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,770
strange it up and it looked like it was

720
00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:48,080
floating above the road flooded into the

721
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:50,990
field and disappeared and then two weeks

722
00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:53,809
later on top of the ridge a beautiful

723
00:31:00,400 --> 00:30:57,260
morning persons taking a leisurely walk

724
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:00,410
along the top of the ridge and hears

725
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:03,170
this noise in the woods so she she

726
00:31:09,549 --> 00:31:05,929
walked into the wood area and about 20

727
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:09,559
feet away she comes across this large

728
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:14,510
old dark tree tree stump and she's

729
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:17,330
looking at it and realizes that there's

730
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:24,490
right next to it actually it had his

731
00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:27,290
arms completely wrapped around the tree

732
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,140
it had his cheek against the tree

733
00:31:34,330 --> 00:31:32,080
looking directly at it with dark eyes

734
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,340
just staring at her like was trying to

735
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:37,760
camouflage itself so she grabbed she ran

736
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:40,070
about ten feet away to another tree to

737
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:41,870
get a composure back and a load of her

738
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:43,850
camera to try to run back to get a

739
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:47,480
picture and she stood there just for a

740
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:49,850
short time ran back to get a picture and

741
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,000
it was gone so it's only ten feet or so

742
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:55,760
away 20 feet or where's 10 20 feet away

743
00:32:01,120 --> 00:31:58,100
she heard nothing coming nothing going

744
00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:01,130
and then the reports got stranger and

745
00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:02,929
stranger I mean from so many different

746
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:07,520
areas and all around the Pittsburgh area

747
00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:09,770
multiple counties other

748
00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:11,780
areas of the state in November of last

749
00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:14,780
year on a four lane toll road between

750
00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:16,220
Greensburg and Delmont

751
00:32:20,290 --> 00:32:18,440
I talked to the fellow who's driving one

752
00:32:22,390 --> 00:32:20,300
of the cars and he had a passenger and

753
00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:22,400
apparently that evening another car

754
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:24,260
pulled up next to him they had two high

755
00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:26,330
beams on because standing in the middle

756
00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:29,480
of a highway is the 7 8 foot tall wide

757
00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:31,820
shoulder warm warm creatures standing

758
00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:34,220
there and he said the weirdest thing was

759
00:32:38,590 --> 00:32:37,100
it never walked off it just suddenly

760
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:38,600
vanished and disappeared right in front

761
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:42,440
of us and it keeps going on and on and

762
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,220
then in January this year in an area

763
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:47,360
where there's been sightings for years

764
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:49,310
here's a couple who didn't want to tell

765
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:51,770
anybody they talked to a relative who

766
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,170
said you need to report it so the

767
00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:56,960
relative contacted me and I'm asking

768
00:33:01,300 --> 00:32:58,700
questions and I realized that one of the

769
00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:01,310
key witnesses is there her daughter is

770
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:02,870
she finally gone on the phone and talked

771
00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:05,390
to me and we talked for a long time we

772
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:07,070
had a detailed interview she sent me a

773
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,590
four-page statement and she said this

774
00:33:14,140 --> 00:33:11,840
was so bizarre I said we got to work

775
00:33:16,990 --> 00:33:14,150
every morning and all of a sudden were

776
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:17,000
coming down the hill and this huge 70

777
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:20,690
foot tall hairy creature steps out 50

778
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,390
feet in front of our vehicle and she

779
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:26,240
said we I saw I saw clearly from head to

780
00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:29,090
toe it has dark brown hair long arms

781
00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:32,060
barely moving hands folded back no neck

782
00:33:36,670 --> 00:33:34,430
but she said in the statement when she

783
00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:36,680
said to me said what was so bizarre she

784
00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:38,660
said it was like watching a predator

785
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:39,140
movie

786
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:41,150
she said it suddenly appeared out of

787
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:43,220
nowhere and walked in front of us and

788
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:45,470
disappeared and it's gone and these are

789
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:47,870
the kind of reports more and more than

790
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:50,690
forgetting and then in May of this year

791
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:52,670
outside of Pittsburgh a man

792
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,530
early morning was looking at his back

793
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:56,960
window in a rural area and he sees a

794
00:34:00,370 --> 00:33:58,730
smaller Bigfoot we're getting reports of

795
00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:00,380
smaller ones - about four to five feet

796
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:02,630
tall so he's watching this thing walking

797
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:05,320
through the yard and it enters a

798
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:09,310
particular area of the woods and he said

799
00:34:17,050 --> 00:34:13,399
within seconds after the creature

800
00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:17,060
entered that area of the woods that this

801
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:20,600
small sphere of light suddenly came on

802
00:34:26,059 --> 00:34:23,700
is just a few feet above the ground

803
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:26,069
and moved a little bit that disappeared

804
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:28,169
then it came back on project on a long

805
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:29,940
beam of light and the advantage had

806
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:32,730
disappeared and again it just goes on

807
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:35,639
and on so many reports for so many

808
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:38,220
different people but more more reports

809
00:34:41,899 --> 00:34:40,980
indicating that we may would be willing

810
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:41,909
with something that's not a

811
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:43,770
flesh-and-blood animal and like I said

812
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:46,169
before for lack of a better term we may

813
00:34:48,859 --> 00:34:47,010
be dealing with something this

814
00:34:53,059 --> 00:34:48,869
interdimensional which is why there's

815
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:53,069
nobody's absolutely yeah I guess you and

816
00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:00,680
it's not just with the Bigfoot when you

817
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:02,849
start interviewing all these deep these

818
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,500
detailed accounts interviewing witnesses

819
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:06,720
of the Thunderbirds and the black

820
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:09,869
panther reports and all these are they

821
00:35:14,809 --> 00:35:11,940
may all be a part of the same phenomena

822
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:14,819
you cannot have so many type of unknown

823
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:17,849
creatures out there for so many years

824
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:20,010
and not find any of them but you've got

825
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:22,410
so many credible people seeing them you

826
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:24,599
can't dismiss it so there's got to be

827
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:26,790
some other explanation that we just

828
00:35:31,309 --> 00:35:29,430
don't understand and like I'm saying

829
00:35:32,539 --> 00:35:31,319
more and more the data we're seeing is

830
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:32,549
and we may be dealing with something

831
00:35:36,799 --> 00:35:34,740
that so beyond our present scientific

832
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:36,809
understanding we're just not there yet

833
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:38,670
we don't have the capability or the

834
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:40,470
instrumentation to detect what we're

835
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:43,140
dealing with well hopefully one day

836
00:35:47,539 --> 00:35:45,030
we're going to find answers I know I

837
00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:47,549
know with this win you monoid thing that

838
00:35:56,539 --> 00:35:49,859
we've been dealing with out in Illinois

839
00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:56,549
and Wisconsin you know it seems to be

840
00:36:01,520 --> 00:35:58,740
that these things are coming in and out

841
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:01,530
of some type of portal or gateway or

842
00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:04,140
whatever because we have had witnesses

843
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:05,430
act to see them disappear

844
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:08,670
you know just yeah and it's the same way

845
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:11,460
with Bigfoot upright canines the same

846
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:15,020
deal butchers have heard the same thing

847
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,740
we've all heard it

848
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:18,240
I mean these things just suddenly

849
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,470
disappear and and it's not a new

850
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,380
phenomena no I I can mention I started

851
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:27,599
writing about this back in the 70s well

852
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:29,339
back then there was a lot more ridicule

853
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:31,650
now in the last few years because you

854
00:36:35,099 --> 00:36:33,270
know I do a lot of radio shows I'm gonna

855
00:36:37,319 --> 00:36:35,109
grow a lot of people and I

856
00:36:39,329 --> 00:36:37,329
see a big difference from the response

857
00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:39,339
of the people in the Bigfoot field who

858
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:40,809
used to dismiss all these type of

859
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:43,150
reports but now they're beginning to ask

860
00:36:47,099 --> 00:36:44,980
the same questions like where are the

861
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,109
bodies and they're getting the same kind

862
00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:49,839
of reports and in the last few years all

863
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:51,400
over Pennsylvania all throughout the

864
00:36:55,979 --> 00:36:54,130
country many Bigfoot researchers are out

865
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:55,989
in the areas where there's a lot of

866
00:37:00,930 --> 00:36:57,970
history of Bigfoot activity or seeing

867
00:37:03,299 --> 00:37:00,940
weird strange light phenomena so they're

868
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:03,309
experiencing things themselves yes sir

869
00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:07,390
you're right and it is it is astounding

870
00:37:11,970 --> 00:37:09,789
how the Bigfoot community has kind of

871
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:11,980
opened minded that become open more

872
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,430
open-minded with this and yeah you and I

873
00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:17,920
I've been tired of getting criticized

874
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,440
for measuring it all these years but uh

875
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:22,960
you know yeah people are starting to go

876
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:23,980
with it

877
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:26,140
you know we can't really prove anything

878
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:30,609
yet but you know you got to you got to

879
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:34,980
think that something else is going on so

880
00:37:40,319 --> 00:37:38,140
there you go anyway I've got people in

881
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,329
the in the chat room that would like to

882
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:42,400
like to have you talk about Kecksburg

883
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:47,140
and if you know talk a bit about what

884
00:37:53,759 --> 00:37:49,630
happened beginning and such but is there

885
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:53,769
any new information I know you had to

886
00:37:56,299 --> 00:37:55,690
Kecksburg festival a little over a month

887
00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:56,309
ago

888
00:38:03,329 --> 00:37:59,980
was there anything brought up there that

889
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:03,339
could be part of what was going on back

890
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:06,730
then well we I mean it was probably the

891
00:38:10,410 --> 00:38:08,470
biggest festival they've ever had I mean

892
00:38:12,779 --> 00:38:10,420
the firemen I mean this has turned to a

893
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:12,789
huge internet or I should say national

894
00:38:14,849 --> 00:38:13,210
event

895
00:38:16,799 --> 00:38:14,859
people from all over the country keep

896
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:16,809
coming in for we had thousands and

897
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:18,130
thousands of people that are literally

898
00:38:22,589 --> 00:38:21,190
and I mean I was just so jammed I was

899
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,599
losing my voice there because I was

900
00:38:27,749 --> 00:38:24,400
talking for so many hours for three days

901
00:38:29,609 --> 00:38:27,759
and but got a lot of interesting new

902
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:29,619
cases of all kind of things going on and

903
00:38:34,109 --> 00:38:31,569
many witnesses who had seen things in

904
00:38:36,269 --> 00:38:34,119
recent weeks and months I did run into a

905
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,279
few new Kecksburg witnesses so these are

906
00:38:41,729 --> 00:38:39,480
people probably in their 70s and 80s and

907
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:41,739
you know they didn't make any big dude

908
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:43,450
over they said I was good that night you

909
00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:45,849
know I was a kid I saw the military and

910
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:46,540
all that stuff

911
00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:48,670
it basically it was just confirming

912
00:38:55,610 --> 00:38:52,360
other information we had and that's what

913
00:38:58,530 --> 00:38:55,620
it is I mean we've heard so many stories

914
00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:58,540
yeah there's so much interest in the

915
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:00,700
case regardless of what it was and we

916
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:03,310
may never know the truth and I can only

917
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:04,990
say and I'll give you a little bit of

918
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:08,140
history of it too but sure December 9th

919
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:12,250
1965 Thursday night I'm 16 years old I'm

920
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:14,440
already interested in the phenomena I'm

921
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:17,530
tuned into KDK radio in Pittsburgh they

922
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:19,450
have a talk radio show called contact

923
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:22,510
and Mike Levine is the host he's not

924
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:25,210
deceased unfortunately he had a guest on

925
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:27,310
with Frank Edwards who you recognize the

926
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:30,130
name right and Frank Edwards had written

927
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:32,110
some books on strange occurrences and

928
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,330
UFOs and then quantum UFOs then he

929
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:36,400
called mainly flying saucers and I

930
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:37,660
wanted to listen to see what he had to

931
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:39,670
say well the interesting thing about

932
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:42,520
that show was almost the entire program

933
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:45,370
was now concentrating on the breaking

934
00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:48,820
news story coming in of just brilliant

935
00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:52,120
fiery objects seen from Ontario Canada /

936
00:39:58,860 --> 00:39:56,680
Michigan Ohio Pennsylvania and initial

937
00:40:00,330 --> 00:39:58,870
reports were that whenever this thing

938
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:00,340
was that Kelly came in over the

939
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:03,850
Pittsburgh area about 4:47 p.m. so it's

940
00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:07,060
just getting dark in this area and the

941
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,340
radio stations TV stations newspapers

942
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:11,440
police departments were jammed with

943
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:13,570
calls from people who saw the subject

944
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:16,210
and some people actually thought it was

945
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,480
an aircraft was on fire and so reports

946
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:22,000
were very prevalent well again there was

947
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,350
a lot we didn't know that night and but

948
00:40:31,590 --> 00:40:28,000
the reports got even more fascinating

949
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:31,600
that evening as reports came in now

950
00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:33,400
whatever the object was that apparently

951
00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:36,100
fell to Witter ravine in Westmoreland

952
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:39,400
County so it's about 12 miles from

953
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:42,340
Greensburg 40-round 40 miles from

954
00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:44,350
Pittsburgh depending with karate go and

955
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:47,080
if they apparently fell and the reports

956
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:49,450
were coming in that the military was now

957
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:51,640
arriving the Kecksburg area to search

958
00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:53,530
for an unidentified flying object

959
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,990
well that was an amazing stories I think

960
00:40:59,370 --> 00:40:58,480
and I wasn't even driving yet I could

961
00:41:02,039 --> 00:40:59,380
get out there

962
00:41:04,019 --> 00:41:02,049
and I'm running back and forth between

963
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:04,029
the old black and white console TV and a

964
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:05,650
radio trying to get the latest reports

965
00:41:10,289 --> 00:41:07,690
but I'm documenting everything else it's

966
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,299
coming over the news and the next day I

967
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:13,119
try to start to find information about

968
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:14,500
it but there was very little information

969
00:41:19,799 --> 00:41:16,390
and out there was very few names in a

970
00:41:22,289 --> 00:41:19,809
paper but I began to collect all the

971
00:41:24,299 --> 00:41:22,299
information it was the headlines and all

972
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:24,309
the local papers to the pittsburgh

973
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:25,900
papers the great secret paper made

974
00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:28,990
national news and then within a couple

975
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:32,440
days and actually the next day the

976
00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:34,930
official explanation already wasn't yes

977
00:41:39,269 --> 00:41:37,180
there was a thorough search of woods by

978
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:39,279
the authorities at night they found

979
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:43,420
absolutely nothing and authority said it

980
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:46,960
was just imagination witnesses they had

981
00:41:51,089 --> 00:41:48,609
seen a brave meteor in the sky but

982
00:41:56,009 --> 00:41:51,099
nothing had fallen to the ground and so

983
00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:56,019
officially today it's listed as Astro so

984
00:42:00,120 --> 00:41:57,369
it was a meteor according to the

985
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,130
government but there was a lot we found

986
00:42:03,569 --> 00:42:01,839
out since then and I tracked down

987
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:03,579
hundreds of people who were involved in

988
00:42:10,499 --> 00:42:07,599
the case over the years and what I found

989
00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:10,509
out later was that this thing was seen

990
00:42:14,549 --> 00:42:12,460
again over a large area I've

991
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:14,559
concentrated most of my investigation

992
00:42:19,309 --> 00:42:17,140
from the pittsburgh area for the

993
00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:19,319
sightings into the activity took place

994
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:21,940
around the impact site around the crash

995
00:42:27,329 --> 00:42:25,390
site because it's so fascinating the

996
00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:27,339
multitudes of people I interviewed to

997
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:30,220
track down so these included witnesses

998
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,950
saw the object in the sky people who saw

999
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:35,200
the object come overhead and drop into

1000
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:37,630
the woods people who went down it from

1001
00:42:42,749 --> 00:42:39,609
which soon after it fell and came across

1002
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:42,759
as large metallic acorn shaped objects

1003
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,609
semi bared in the ground that was big

1004
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,680
enough for a human to stand inside I may

1005
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:50,079
be 10 to 12 feet or more length about

1006
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:52,569
eight to ten feet in diameter shaped

1007
00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:55,390
like a big metallic acorn kind of an off

1008
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,420
gold bronze color but interesting and

1009
00:43:01,859 --> 00:43:00,160
there were witnesses standing within

1010
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:01,869
feet of it I mean close enough to touch

1011
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:05,529
it and there's no raw works no seams the

1012
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:07,630
rivet marks on it mm-hmm or they're

1013
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:09,970
raised apart like a burn back of an

1014
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:11,640
acorn

1015
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:13,010
witnesses said

1016
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:16,070
saw what to be raised up marking to look

1017
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:20,240
more like symbols on the surface and I

1018
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:22,670
mean it's a fascinating story so what we

1019
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:25,220
know happened was first hands of

1020
00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:28,130
civilians come in then he had volunteer

1021
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:30,140
firemen coming in because they were

1022
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:32,450
activated because all the reports around

1023
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:34,370
the area people thought it was a

1024
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:36,110
possible downed aircraft

1025
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,940
so the firemen around looking for a

1026
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:39,920
possible downed aircraft in this very

1027
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:44,570
large wooded area but some of the

1028
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:46,130
civilians and of course they didn't know

1029
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,990
this at the time it's some locals had

1030
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:49,760
already found it but then some of the

1031
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:52,040
firemen came across the object and then

1032
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:54,740
the military came in and once the

1033
00:43:58,780 --> 00:43:57,110
military came in the whole area was

1034
00:44:01,660 --> 00:43:58,790
cordoned off and everybody was told to

1035
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,670
leave the military didn't know that

1036
00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:03,200
others had already gone down there

1037
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:05,860
before they arrived and I can tell you

1038
00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:08,960
you couldn't possibly see where this

1039
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:11,180
thing fell from any it's and around the

1040
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:14,030
hills or highways he had to be standing

1041
00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:15,380
down there at the bottom of the ravine

1042
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:17,390
in the woods to see where it came down

1043
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:21,560
so until some of the locals could

1044
00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:23,530
pinpoint the location for some of the

1045
00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:25,820
authorities they would not have known

1046
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:31,940
where it came down yeah you know what do

1047
00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:34,460
you think of this theory and that's what

1048
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:36,680
I'm calling it a theory that this may

1049
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:38,690
have been the Nazi bill or something to

1050
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:42,110
do with the Soviets well there are

1051
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:44,330
multitudes of theories from the time it

1052
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:47,510
happened and you know the 50th

1053
00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:51,650
anniversary is 54 years later but after

1054
00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:53,900
the 50th anniversary I believe from what

1055
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:56,060
I remember now I believe were 4

1056
00:45:01,540 --> 00:44:58,630
different theories brought forth again

1057
00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:01,550
from different people who all believe

1058
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:03,350
they have the right theory of what the

1059
00:45:09,790 --> 00:45:07,670
Kecksburg object was but again theories

1060
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:09,800
are wonderful ideas are wonderful but if

1061
00:45:15,070 --> 00:45:12,110
you don't have the proof and evidence it

1062
00:45:17,470 --> 00:45:15,080
means nothing and the theories go back

1063
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:17,480
from the time it happened one of the

1064
00:45:22,450 --> 00:45:20,540
first things we heard at the summit

1065
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:22,460
witnesses who were there at the time and

1066
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:25,190
it was a family who I interviewed that

1067
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:26,099
had a military

1068
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:28,529
so come and interview them and he told

1069
00:45:32,539 --> 00:45:30,329
them there was a Gemini capsule

1070
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:32,549
that had been expelled in the area and

1071
00:45:37,009 --> 00:45:34,440
of course we found out that was not the

1072
00:45:39,739 --> 00:45:37,019
case and then with many theories since

1073
00:45:42,979 --> 00:45:39,749
then another guy told me he was certain

1074
00:45:45,019 --> 00:45:42,989
it was a law it was a projectile fired

1075
00:45:47,539 --> 00:45:45,029
from a giant gun from a railroad car in

1076
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:47,549
Canada which of course we found that out

1077
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:49,710
and checked into it nothing to it there

1078
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:53,579
are many many other theories one of the

1079
00:45:58,249 --> 00:45:55,710
most common theories for years was that

1080
00:46:01,160 --> 00:45:58,259
it could have been a Soviet Venus probe

1081
00:46:03,529 --> 00:46:01,170
that had a technical malfunction but

1082
00:46:06,499 --> 00:46:03,539
interestingly we entered the atmosphere

1083
00:46:08,299 --> 00:46:06,509
on the same day that this occurred but

1084
00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:08,309
it occurred around 3:18 in the morning

1085
00:46:12,099 --> 00:46:11,099
over Canada this happened about 447 the

1086
00:46:14,299 --> 00:46:12,109
afternoon

1087
00:46:17,299 --> 00:46:14,309
anyhow I can just tell you in the last

1088
00:46:20,029 --> 00:46:17,309
20-some years or so a lot more data has

1089
00:46:22,789 --> 00:46:20,039
come up and it's pretty much been ruled

1090
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:22,799
out it was cosmos 96 right and then

1091
00:46:29,749 --> 00:46:25,890
another theory among others is the Glock

1092
00:46:32,059 --> 00:46:29,759
the the German Dell but I see no

1093
00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:32,069
evidence or two related and I'm no

1094
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:34,469
expert on the Bell but I talk to people

1095
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:36,150
who claim that want a knowledge of it

1096
00:46:42,799 --> 00:46:40,529
over the years and I've seen no evidence

1097
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:42,809
that it became a reality there's no

1098
00:46:47,959 --> 00:46:44,819
doubt that the Germans were working on

1099
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:47,969
their project but of course depending

1100
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:49,319
what you read it was either some type of

1101
00:46:53,749 --> 00:46:50,579
time machine or some type of

1102
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,759
anti-gravity device but it just doesn't

1103
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:55,680
fit with what we know from what I

1104
00:47:00,620 --> 00:46:58,170
witnesses tell it and you know Laurent

1105
00:47:02,329 --> 00:47:00,630
I've always been very careful with this

1106
00:47:03,979 --> 00:47:02,339
case because I keep it open mind all

1107
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:03,989
possibilities for what this thing may

1108
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:07,410
have been right and there was a lot of

1109
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:09,630
little details over the years that for

1110
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,529
years I didn't reveal until I had enough

1111
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:14,640
independent confirmation from different

1112
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:18,089
people to confirm certain details one of

1113
00:47:25,489 --> 00:47:20,190
the details three years I kept quiet

1114
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:25,499
dogs able to verify that people saw 1

1115
00:47:30,349 --> 00:47:28,619
plus c2 military jets pursuing the path

1116
00:47:32,709 --> 00:47:30,359
of the object now they weren't right

1117
00:47:35,029 --> 00:47:32,719
behind it but soon after it passed

1118
00:47:37,549 --> 00:47:35,039
military jets were formed along the same

1119
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:37,559
path so I have reports from Ohio into

1120
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:38,730
that general area

1121
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:41,130
were people reporting that but one of

1122
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,050
the things that's very interesting that

1123
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:45,960
I was able years later to confirm you

1124
00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:48,210
know people talked about seeing this

1125
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:50,190
object being taken away from the area

1126
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:52,050
late that night earlier next morning I

1127
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:53,880
had a large military flat that

1128
00:47:57,859 --> 00:47:55,710
tractor-trailer with a tarp over it and

1129
00:48:02,660 --> 00:47:57,869
there numerous independent eyewitnesses

1130
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:02,670
and in the summer of 1990 before we did

1131
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:05,609
the untold mysteries TV show tower

1132
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:08,940
contacted me his background it was

1133
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,630
checked extensively and others have now

1134
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,160
confirmed the same thing independently

1135
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:16,800
who don't know each other but he told me

1136
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:18,300
he said I was a member of the Air Force

1137
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:20,790
police that guarded the object from Tex

1138
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:23,070
Berg when it came in during the early

1139
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:25,260
morning hours of December 10th to lock

1140
00:48:30,020 --> 00:48:27,300
board Air Force Base near Columbus Ohio

1141
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:30,030
and he talked about how was binding on

1142
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:31,380
the large military flatbed

1143
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:33,780
tractor-trailer did backed into a hangar

1144
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,050
a security team was set up the guard and

1145
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:41,700
surrounded Hager and they were given a

1146
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:43,890
shoot-to-kill order to anybody as

1147
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:45,300
approach to Hague without the proper

1148
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:48,030
clearance now he told me he didn't stay

1149
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,500
on the team much longer but he heard

1150
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:51,630
that FEMA called the object didn't stay

1151
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:53,160
there long it continued on the

1152
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:55,050
wright-patterson Air Force Base and

1153
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,570
later I was able to confirm exactly what

1154
00:49:01,160 --> 00:48:58,980
Gurley went to wright-patterson

1155
00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:01,170
it was not a core 18 people talk about

1156
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:04,380
the other building so the interesting

1157
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:07,050
thing is I was able to confirm that were

1158
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,480
not one but there were two flatbed

1159
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:11,280
military tractor trailers at the scene

1160
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:14,700
that night so what was on the first load

1161
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,340
that went out earlier that was longer

1162
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:19,920
and lower and this thing was higher and

1163
00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:23,190
more vertical and all kind of

1164
00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:25,080
interesting speculation which we don't

1165
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:30,380
know but in the last 25 years or so and

1166
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:33,570
this is very detailed and and I probably

1167
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:35,310
don't even have time to get into it all

1168
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:37,170
and maybe someday we can talk more about

1169
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:39,000
it but there's some very interesting

1170
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:42,050
information from independent sources

1171
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:44,609
which indicate the possibility that

1172
00:49:50,060 --> 00:49:46,200
there was someone or something inside of

1173
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:50,070
the object and is that right it gives

1174
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:51,350
you a whole different

1175
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:53,990
idea what you might be dealing with and

1176
00:49:59,090 --> 00:49:56,640
there are some other details that I have

1177
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,100
that I'm still not ready to talk about -

1178
00:50:02,810 --> 00:50:01,440
I can confirm but I'm just telling you

1179
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:02,820
it could be bored of the stories and

1180
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:07,890
realize do you think that the object is

1181
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,260
still at wright-patterson or you think

1182
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:12,720
they moved it on heard all kinds of

1183
00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:14,940
stories I've heard one that is still

1184
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:16,470
there but I've also heard from others

1185
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:18,210
they bleed was moved to another base and

1186
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:21,480
we've heard that other alleged UFO

1187
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:24,960
residues Roswell and other alleged cases

1188
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:27,210
where the the object ended up at

1189
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:28,560
wright-patterson which of course is

1190
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:30,810
where they probably would have ended up

1191
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,430
because back in those days you had the

1192
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:34,560
Air Force foreign technology division

1193
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:36,450
and you had Air Force project Bluebook

1194
00:50:41,780 --> 00:50:39,510
headquarter there right so that would be

1195
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:41,790
the place that we would go but we've

1196
00:50:45,590 --> 00:50:43,380
heard reports that they've been sent to

1197
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:45,600
other bases for security for study we

1198
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:49,410
have no way to confirm that hmm well I

1199
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:53,280
have heard reports over the years that a

1200
00:50:59,660 --> 00:50:56,130
lot of the objects that were originally

1201
00:51:02,840 --> 00:50:59,670
sent to wright-patterson ended up down

1202
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:02,850
at Eglin or MacDill down in Florida now

1203
00:51:08,330 --> 00:51:05,400
I don't have any confirmation for that

1204
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:08,340
all I have were people who were actually

1205
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:12,390
in the Air Force at that time who I was

1206
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:14,550
able to talk to through my father he was

1207
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:17,700
in the five of the ninth which is my dad

1208
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,020
was in the five hour night there in the

1209
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:20,640
Korean War and many of the guys he

1210
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:23,220
served with were at Roswell when the

1211
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:24,570
five and ninth was stationed there

1212
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:29,280
during the crash and I had been told

1213
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:33,680
that those are two locations that either

1214
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,740
equipment craft are even bodies have

1215
00:51:42,050 --> 00:51:40,020
been sent over the years but I don't

1216
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,060
like I said I that's only from what

1217
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:44,640
people have told me yeah and and I've

1218
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:47,370
heard the same story and of course

1219
00:51:51,590 --> 00:51:49,590
there's many accounts from people who

1220
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,600
used to work at wright-patterson who

1221
00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:53,700
talked about bodies being recovered as

1222
00:51:57,260 --> 00:51:55,320
one I mean I've talked to people years

1223
00:51:59,720 --> 00:51:57,270
and years ago who told me they'd seen

1224
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:59,730
the bodies hmm and it was lent strength

1225
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:01,050
field you probably recognize the name

1226
00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:03,130
Glenn and I went there we go

1227
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:06,430
and led was the I guess you'd say kind

1228
00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:09,370
of the Godfather of UFO crash retrievals

1229
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:11,740
he's the one who began to bring all this

1230
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:13,750
out back many many years ago about the

1231
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:16,330
fact that there were other UFO crash and

1232
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:17,770
recoveries around the country and around

1233
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,440
the world and he talked to many people

1234
00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:22,960
who had allegedly inside information -

1235
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:24,460
some of these were very credible people

1236
00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:28,480
and let and I work very closely and you

1237
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:30,940
know we talked quite a bit and he was on

1238
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,650
to something and I've had similar

1239
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:36,640
accounts over the years as well mm-hmm

1240
00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:37,690
hey um

1241
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:42,700
back at that time back in the 60s when

1242
00:52:48,270 --> 00:52:44,830
when they had those type of recoveries

1243
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:48,280
of something like that was NASA actually

1244
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:53,290
in charge of that at the time I'm no

1245
00:52:59,730 --> 00:52:56,110
expert in this area but there were

1246
00:53:01,740 --> 00:52:59,740
projects going on that documents and

1247
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:01,750
other information came forth that NASA

1248
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:04,540
played a part with other agencies in

1249
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:06,130
some of the recoveries but they were not

1250
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:09,400
the primary source okay because I have

1251
00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:11,590
heard a few things over the years about

1252
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:14,500
NASA being involved somehow I actually

1253
00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:16,510
talked to a guy that lived down at Cocoa

1254
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:20,200
Beach who worked for NASA and he brought

1255
00:53:26,570 --> 00:53:21,370
up something about the Kecksburg

1256
00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:26,580
incident to me and he said to me that he

1257
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,180
was told that NASA was actually part of

1258
00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:34,240
the team or V team that was working on

1259
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:37,000
that recovery so you know and he's not

1260
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,620
the only person that told me that I am

1261
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:41,440
heard I heard a few odds and ends over

1262
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:44,880
the years so I didn't I just didn't know

1263
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:49,650
okay well but it regards the Kecksburg I

1264
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:52,210
tracked our many people of course even

1265
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:53,530
though many of the reporters who are on

1266
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:55,180
the scene that night who is our

1267
00:54:00,780 --> 00:53:57,610
interacted or saw military equipment or

1268
00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:00,790
personnel so many people and again this

1269
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:02,950
made national news at the time hmm we

1270
00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:05,320
know the Air Force and Army personnel at

1271
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:08,320
the scene but I also many many years ago

1272
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:10,510
interviewed people who told me they

1273
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,310
either saw or interact or what appear to

1274
00:54:19,789 --> 00:54:15,119
be NASA personnel also on the scene

1275
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,799
Wow and the whole point is what was so

1276
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,660
important down there that the government

1277
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:24,720
responded the way they did and they have

1278
00:54:28,999 --> 00:54:27,569
armed soldiers and some of these people

1279
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:29,009
went public over the years by the way

1280
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,559
but yet armed soldiers according to

1281
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,839
these accounts they're on other people's

1282
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:36,079
private property on farms out there

1283
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:38,910
aiming the weapons allegedly at certain

1284
00:54:43,339 --> 00:54:40,890
businesses trying to get down to the

1285
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,349
crash site to stop them yeah where'd

1286
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:45,119
that kind of jurisdiction come from

1287
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:50,160
yeah that's wrong woman was the you

1288
00:54:55,249 --> 00:54:51,930
believe the state was notified at the

1289
00:55:00,499 --> 00:54:55,259
time the state yeah

1290
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:00,509
you mean like oh yeah okay well that's

1291
00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:04,559
another whole story and grand Cameron I

1292
00:55:09,319 --> 00:55:07,230
your primary grant up in Canada mm-hmm

1293
00:55:12,739 --> 00:55:09,329
okay well grant you know is a very good

1294
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:12,749
investigator and on his website you can

1295
00:55:16,999 --> 00:55:14,609
find his whole investigation into the

1296
00:55:18,289 --> 00:55:17,009
Kecksburg incident and I don't have it

1297
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:18,299
all right in front of me now it's been a

1298
00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:22,049
while so I looked at it but he based on

1299
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:24,599
research that I did on the case and

1300
00:55:32,269 --> 00:55:29,460
Leslie octane and others he went to now

1301
00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:32,279
his expertise is he would go to the

1302
00:55:36,769 --> 00:55:35,339
libraries of US presidents to see if

1303
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:36,779
there's any documents that would

1304
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:39,960
associate the president with UFO cases

1305
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:43,140
during their time period so he went to

1306
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:46,170
the Lyndon Johnson library and found

1307
00:55:52,009 --> 00:55:48,809
something very fascinating and I've seen

1308
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:52,019
the documents and it was what happened

1309
00:55:57,259 --> 00:55:54,420
the next morning at the Lyndon Johnson

1310
00:56:00,259 --> 00:55:57,269
ranch after the Kecksburg incident and

1311
00:56:03,819 --> 00:56:00,269
from memory who was there the next

1312
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:03,829
morning all the Joint Chiefs of Staff

1313
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:08,809
the director of NASA his science adviser

1314
00:56:14,779 --> 00:56:12,660
the governor of Pennsylvania and I blues

1315
00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:14,789
a couple days later he met with what was

1316
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:16,950
the director of what was in the probe

1317
00:56:22,849 --> 00:56:19,559
the person who was in charge the agency

1318
00:56:25,850 --> 00:56:22,859
that I blew was precursor to the civil

1319
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:25,860
defense so there were a lot of

1320
00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:28,800
players that would have been involved in

1321
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:30,600
the situation like an S coincidentally

1322
00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:32,310
at the ranch the next morning but you

1323
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,230
can go back and get all the details up

1324
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:35,760
on his website

1325
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:37,710
who's the government back it was a

1326
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,520
Scranton

1327
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:40,920
I believe that's who it was I believe

1328
00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:45,420
that too it was yeah mmm interesting yep

1329
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:47,640
yeah I always wondered that I had I

1330
00:56:54,110 --> 00:56:48,930
wanted to ask you that once before

1331
00:56:55,310 --> 00:56:54,120
because you would think the you would

1332
00:56:58,690 --> 00:56:55,320
definitely think the government been

1333
00:57:03,710 --> 00:56:58,700
involved somehow but I just wasn't sure

1334
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:03,720
interesting well Stan okay we're gonna

1335
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:05,610
have to probably do a whole show on that

1336
00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:09,660
one day because what I'm gonna do is I'm

1337
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:12,620
gonna dig into everything I've got and

1338
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:15,960
try to pull some things out so I can ask

1339
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,580
you about because I'd be quite frank

1340
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:19,680
with you I've heard so many bits and

1341
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:23,040
pieces over the years it's kind of hard

1342
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:24,810
to quarterly at any of it to be honest

1343
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:29,010
with you yeah yes there's so much to it

1344
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,880
and like I said there's somebody we

1345
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:35,280
learned a lot about it but there's no

1346
00:57:39,590 --> 00:57:37,310
many unanswered questions and

1347
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:39,600
unfortunately we may never know the

1348
00:57:41,290 --> 00:57:40,950
entire truth about what happened out

1349
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:41,300
there

1350
00:57:48,850 --> 00:57:46,200
yeah well stand where did you tell us

1351
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about what you got coming up and

1352
00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:51,000
anything else that you want to tell us

1353
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,470
about and how people can get a hold of

1354
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,380
you yeah well they can reach me go to my

1355
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website which is Stan Gordon dot info

1356
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:00,900
INF oh and there's a phone number and

1357
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:03,780
email information on there they can keep

1358
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:05,400
checking the website for a lot of the

1359
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events still coming up this year and a

1360
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lot of citing is that I keep updating it

1361
00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:13,290
but I've been very busy all year doing a

1362
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lot of different lectures different

1363
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places and actually next Friday

1364
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September 6th I'll be speaking at the

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Grand Theatre and Elizabeth PA down on

1366
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the Mon Valley and September the 8th

1367
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:27,510
I'll be at the Apollo Historical Society

1368
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so you're right there in the Armstrong

1369
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County area talking about all these

1370
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subjects and then there's a very large

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new parent

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only event scheduled for November 9th

1373
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and 10th this year it's the first

1374
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western Pennsylvania conference on the

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unexplained at the Ramada Inn in

1376
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:45,969
Greensburg there'll be local and

1377
00:58:50,429 --> 00:58:48,130
national speakers Nick Redford is coming

1378
00:58:52,469 --> 00:58:50,439
in I think the mountain monster guys are

1379
00:58:54,779 --> 00:58:52,479
coming I'll be speaking there but it'll

1380
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be a fascinating Saturday and Sunday and

1381
00:58:58,890 --> 00:58:56,559
there's information on my website about

1382
00:59:00,329 --> 00:58:58,900
it now and as many other events being

1383
00:59:02,699 --> 00:59:00,339
planned for this year next year already

1384
00:59:05,099 --> 00:59:02,709
there's a huge public interest in these

1385
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:05,109
topics oh absolutely

1386
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:08,559
there definitely is well Stan thanks

1387
00:59:14,999 --> 00:59:12,160
again for coming on and I'll be talking

1388
00:59:16,349 --> 00:59:15,009
to you very soon quite sure all right

1389
00:59:17,999 --> 00:59:16,359
one have a good evening thanks for

1390
00:59:22,529 --> 00:59:18,009
having me back on the program you take

1391
00:59:24,299 --> 00:59:22,539
care now right good night now if you

1392
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,309
have an unexplained encounter sighting

1393
00:59:28,739 --> 00:59:25,839
feel free to contact me through the

1394
00:59:30,929 --> 00:59:28,749
phantoms of monsters blog site my recent

1395
00:59:33,569 --> 00:59:30,939
book alien disclosure experiences

1396
00:59:36,179 --> 00:59:33,579
exposed reality is available on

1397
00:59:36,959 --> 00:59:36,189
amazon.com just search my name long

1398
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Strickler

1399
00:59:42,329 --> 00:59:40,390
and all the titles will appear I want to

1400
00:59:45,179 --> 00:59:42,339
again thanks Stan Gordon for joining me

1401
00:59:47,729 --> 00:59:45,189
this evening and I want to thank you for

1402
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:47,739
listening to the show good night and

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